====== Ancient places in CroALa ====== Pass One: handmade links, taken from an index to [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&author=Šižgor|Juraj Šižgorić]]. Places included in the Pleiades Project can also be found as a collection there: [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/Members/nevenj/places-in-sisgoreus/|Places in Sisgoreus]]. Thanks to the KML file the Pleiades system produces, there is also a [[http://goo.gl/maps/cZOUo|Google Map of Šižgorić's places]]. Note that the links in the second column of the following list lead to searches over //all// texts in CroALa. That way we're building an index not only to Šižgorić, but to Šižgorić's places throughout the collection. ^ Place ^ CroALa ^ Place Id ^ Qualification etc. ^ | Acheron | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=ACH%3FER%5BOU%5DN*&OUTPUT=AF|ACH?ER[OU]N.*]] (62) | [[http://viaf.org/viaf/237428674|VIAF]] | A fictional place | | Antikyra | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=ANTICIR*&OUTPUT=TF|ANTICIR*]] (11) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/540642|Antikyra in Pleiades]] | A real place | | Aulis | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=AULId*&OUTPUT=TF|AULID*]] (3) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/579889|Aulis in Pleiades]] | A real place | | Byzantium | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=BI[SZ]ANTI*&OUTPUT=AF|BI[SZ]ANTI.*]] (50) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/520985|Byzantium in Pleiades]] | A real place | | Delphi | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=DELPH?I[^ND]*&OUTPUT=AF|DELPH?I[^ND]*]] (31) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/540726|Delphi in Pleiades]] | A real place - NB! In CroALa "Delphi" can refer to [[http://www.geonames.org/2757345/|Delft]] as well. | | Elysium | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=ELISIA*&OUTPUT=AF|ELISIA.*]] (7) | [[http://viaf.org/viaf/249017768/|VIAF]] | A fictional place | | Italia | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=ITALI[^CDZS].*&OUTPUT=AF|ITALI[^CDZS].*]] (492) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/1052|Italia in Pleiades]] | A real place | | Lesbos | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=LESB.*&OUTPUT=AF|LESB.*]] (90) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/550696|Lesbos]] in Pleiades | A real place | | Parnassus | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=PARNAS?S[IOU][^D]*&OUTPUT=AF|PARNAS?S[IOU][^D]*]] (66) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/541012|Parnassus in Pleiades]] | A real place (?) | | Patavium | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=PATAUI*&OUTPUT=AF|PATAUI.*]] (81) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/393473/|Patavium in Pleiades]] | A real place | | Roma | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=ROMA%7CROMA1%7CROMAE%7CROMAEQUE%7CROMAM*%7CROMANA%7CROMANAE%7CROMANE%7CROMAQUE%7CROMAS%7CROME&CONJUNCT=PHRASE&DISTANCE=3&title=&author=&period=&genre=&OUTPUT=DF|ROMA etc.]] (1345) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/423025|Roma in Pleiades]] | A real place | | Sarmatia, Sarmatae, Sauromatae | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=SAU%3FRO%3FMAT*&OUTPUT=TF|SAU?RO?MAT.*]] (80) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/825371|Sarmatia]] etc. in Pleiades | A real place (people) | | Sibenicus | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=S%5BEI%5DB%5BEI%5DNIC*&OUTPUT=DF|S[EI]B[EI]NIC.*]] (162), [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=SICUM*%7CSICI%7CSICENS*&OUTPUT=TF|SICUM.*, SICI, SICENS.*]] (13) | [[http://viaf.org/viaf/127876644|VIAF]]; cf. [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/197511|Siculi]] in Pleiades | A real place, [[http://www.geonames.org/3190941|non-classical]](([[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Kw1HAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA690|Sicum]] in older editions of Pliny 3, 26. Modern accepted reading in this passage is //Siculi//.)) | | Smyrna | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=SMIRN*&OUTPUT=TF|SMIRN.*]] (27) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/550893|Smyrna in Pleiades]] | A real place | | Tartarus | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=TH%3FARTH%3FAR*&OUTPUT=DF|TH?ARTH?AR.*]] (259) | | A fictional place | | Tergeste | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=TERGEST*&OUTPUT=DF|TERGEST.*]] (93) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/187578|Tergeste]] in Pleiades | A real place | | Tagus | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=TH%3FAGU%5BMS%5D.*%7CTH%3FAGI*&OUTPUT=DF|TH?AGU[MS].* or TH?AGI.*]] (38) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/256463|Tagus]] in Pleiades | A real place (river) | | Tragurium | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=TRAGURIE%3FNS%3F*%7CTRA%5BGC%5DURI%5BUIO%5D*&CONJUNCT=PHRASE&DISTANCE=3&title=&author=&period=&genre=&OUTPUT=TF|TRAGURIE?NS?.* or TRA[GC]URI[UIO]*]] (155) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/197555|Tragurium]] in Pleiades | A real place | | Troia((And what about //Ilium//?)) | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=TROI%5BAEC%5D.*&OUTPUT=TF|TROI[AEC].*]] (148) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/550595|Ilium/Troia]] in Pleiades | A real place | | Tyrus((And the adjective Tyrius!)) | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=tyrI%5B%5EN%5D*&OUTPUT=TF|tyrI[^N]*]] (104) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/697757|Tyrus]] in Pleiades | A real place | | Venetiae | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=UENET.%5B%5ER%5D*&OUTPUT=TF|UENET.[^R]*]] (1228) | [[http://viaf.org/viaf/159454011|VIAF]]: Venice (Republic : to 1797); in [[http://www.geonames.org/3164603|GeoNames]] | A real place, non-classical | | Verona | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=UERON%5B%5EI%5D.*&OUTPUT=TF|UERON[^I].*]] (60) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/383816|Verona]] in Pleiades | A real place | | Vicentia | [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=UICENT*%7CUICETIN*&OUTPUT=TF|UICENT.* or UICETIN.*]] (17) | [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/393513|Vicetia]] in Pleiades | A real place | ===== Questions ===== What do we do with fictional places? What do we do with borderline cases, places which are real and fictional as well? Are there degrees of fictionality?((Sean Gillies writes: Pleiades has [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/search?getFeatureType=false+toponym&portal_type=Place|at least 94 fictional places]]. These are typically the inventions or mistakes of single ancient or 19th century authors identified during the compilation of the Barrington Atlas and not major mythical places. Pleiades has real places that are well mixed up with fiction, such as [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/344440|the place Roman authors believed was the legendary island of the Lotus eaters]]. The data model can accommodate truly mythical places, but the editors of the project would need to discuss whether those are in the scope of Pleiades.)) Should we consider all places mentioned in the //belles lettres// (esp. in neo-Latin literature) actually fictional? What do we do with rhetorical, not referential, uses of a name (Ignjat Đurđević writes about "[[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=romas|a hundred Romes]]")? What do we do when two places share a name (Delphi in Greece and [[http://www.ffzg.unizg.hr/klafil/croala/cgi-bin/search3t?dbname=croala&word=delphis&OUTPUT=conc&CONJUNCT=PHRASE&DISTANCE=3&title=&author=adalbert|in the Netherlands]])? What to do with ethnonyms used metonymically (Itali, Italici, Italidae = Italia)? --- In Pleiades they are treated as a place name, cf. e. g. the [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/places/825371|Sauromatae]].((Pleiades Project recently thought about fictional people too: [[http://pleiades.stoa.org/docs/content-development-projects/whittle-away-at-unlocated-places|placetype: people]], description: "An ancient people whose precise localization cannot be determined today.")) How to treat adjectives (e. g. //Patavina//, which can collocate with //urbs//, but not necessarily)? What, if anything, does the number of occurrences imply?